Obama was a Muslim, but Is a Christian - making him an Apostate

[Faithfulee]

, Barack Obama's half-brother Malik says that the candidate has a "Muslim background."
Barack Obama himself, however, says he doesn't.

This is question of his honesty, but it also raises another question: by all this increasingly implausible denial that he was ever identified as a Muslim, Barack Obama is implying what he would almost certainly strenuously deny if asked directly. He is implying that there is something wrong, something that would raise questions about one's loyalties, about being a Muslim. He is implying that people would have legitimate concerns about a Muslim President of the United States.
His followers have tried to get around this by saying, "Barack Obama is not a Muslim -- not that there's anything wrong with that except in the eyes of crazed right-wingers." In line with that, Obama himself might reply, if cornered, that no, he doesn't think those concerns are legitimate, but was only recognizing that a significant percentage of the American electorate thinks them legitimate. But that is precisely the portion of the American electorate for which he and his supporters have the most contempt.

So in other words, he is either pandering to what he and his supporters would almost certainly identify as "racism," or he is tacitly acknowledging that Islam's political and societal program makes it a threat to American Constitutionalism. Is there another choice that I am missing? And to do whichever one of these he is doing, he is lying.

There is no question that  Barack Hussein Obama was born a Muslim,  nor that he is now a Christian.  But under Muslim law,  that makes him an Apostate.

Wikipedia says

Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda) is commonly defined as the rejection of Islam in word or deed by a person who has been a Muslim.
The four major Sunni and the one major Shia Madh'hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.[1]

This puts Barack Hussein Obama in a difficult position.  The one part that I don’t recognize is the statement above acknowledging that Islam's political and societal program makes it a threat to American Constitutionalism.

[WorldWarrior]

This is another one of those "Blog rumors" like the Muchelle Obama "videotape."



Obama was NEVER A MUSLIM.

[Faithfulee]

Obama was born of a Muslim father.

Ask any Muslim if that makes him a Muslim

[WorldWarrior]

You do know that when you say in America that someone "Was born a Muslim" people will assume you mean a PRACTICING Muslim?

And you do know how misleading that is?


Btw--what is your point in saying that?

I was born with blue eyes because my dad had blue eyes--is that important to know if i run for president?

[Faithfulee]

Islam is a strange religion is some respects, but they cling to every person born from a Muslim as a Muslim.

His early training was also in a Muslim environment,  Indonesia.

I don't deny that he is not a Christain NOW,

But beware,  the Islamic punishment for Apostiacy is very severe.

[WorldWarrior]

"His early training was also in a Muslim environment,  Indonesia."



No actually it was not.

This is another bloggers' fantasy.

And from recent experiences with non-existent "videos" we all know how badly those turn out.




"But beware,  the Islamic punishment for Apostiacy is very severe. "

So what? what does this have to do with Obama as president of the US?

[Faithfulee]

Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda) is commonly defined as the rejection of Islam in word or deed by a person who has been a Muslim.
The four major Sunni and the one major Shia Madh'hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.[1]

The VP selection becomes very important

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

Given what I am gathering of your opinions regarding Islam, what does it matter if Obama was born into it and then left? 

Wouldn't that even be a plus, that he realized that he should change?  If you hold such opinions?

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[Faithfulee]

Given what I am gathering of your opinions regarding Islam, what does it matter if Obama was born into it and then left? 

Wouldn't that even be a plus, that he realized that he should change?  If you hold such opinions?

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This all happened as an Infant.  His father was a Muslim and in Muslim think, that makes him a Muslim.  When he changed he became an apostate, and that is a bad bad bad thing according to the Koran.

Adult Apostates are usually fearful of their lives because they might be killed by Muslims.

Today the reports are that Obama forced a pair of Muslim ladies (who had been waiting for hours) from the background of his speach, because,  they were wearing Muslim headdress.  "It had nothing to do with religion" said Obama, lying through his teeth.  I guess he wants his Muslim background kept in the background.

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

Sounds more like he wants them out of the background as well.

 

Lots of people are fearful of Muslims. Such things have recently been propagated, I don't see why this is an issue.

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[Acumen]

Today the reports are that Obama forced a pair of Muslim ladies (who had been waiting for hours) from the background of his speach, because,  they were wearing Muslim headdress.  "It had nothing to do with religion" said Obama, lying through his teeth.  I guess he wants his Muslim background kept in the background.

I don't think Obama is lying.  The truth is, if Obama (or his campaign volunteers) had allowed them to sit directly behind him during his speech, the conservatives would have roasted him alive by plastering those images all over the internet, or on TV. 

In my opinion, he made the right decision.  He has every right to determine who sits behind him during his campaign speeches.   

[Faithfulee]

Today the reports are that Obama forced a pair of Muslim ladies (who had been waiting for hours) from the background of his speach, because,  they were wearing Muslim headdress.  "It had nothing to do with religion" said Obama, lying through his teeth.  I guess he wants his Muslim background kept in the background.

I don't think Obama is lying.  The truth is, if Obama (or his campaign volunteers) had allowed them to sit directly behind him during his speech, the conservatives would have roasted him alive by plastering those images all over the internet, or on TV. 

In my opinion, he made the right decision.  He has every right to determine who sits behind him during his campaign speeches.   

But the laugher is that he denied it was because they were Muslims

This guy

[Acumen]

But the laugher is that he denied it was because they were Muslims

I disagree.  He denied them because they and their religion would be used as a propaganda tool by his political enemies.  Again, I think he made a wise choice, and it deserves no apology. 

[Faithfulee]

But the laugher is that he denied it was because they were Muslims

I disagree.  He denied them because they and their religion would be used as a propaganda tool by his political enemies.  Again, I think he made a wise choice, and it deserves no apology. 

But typically,  Obama did apologize. 

That is politics, and Obama is a very skilled politicain,   . . . . but not a leader.

[VLinvictus]

I'm confused.

What difference does it make whether Islamic fundamentalists would view Obama as an apostate?

Don't they already want to kill us? Do you think they need additional reasons?

[Faithfulee]

I'm confused.

What difference does it make whether Islamic fundamentalists would view Obama as an apostate?

Don't they already want to kill us? Do you think they need additional reasons?

The target in this case is the Apostate,  Barak Hussein Obama

The rest of us could be threatened for other reasons,  but then Most Muslims are peaceful.  It is only the few Islamic Terrorists that we need fear.

[VLinvictus]

So? You don't think that George Walker Bush is likewise a target that they would love to get their hands on?

And since you lot hate Obama so much, wouldn't you be happy if terrorists assassinated him?

[SquirleyWurley]

I agree it's a moot point.  Lots of terrorists wanted Bush dead, and they are sure to want other presidents dead, no biggie.

[Beautiful_Dreamer]

, Barack Obama's half-brother Malik says that the candidate has a "Muslim background."
Barack Obama himself, however, says he doesn't.

This is question of his honesty, but it also raises another question: by all this increasingly implausible denial that he was ever identified as a Muslim, Barack Obama is implying what he would almost certainly strenuously deny if asked directly. He is implying that there is something wrong, something that would raise questions about one's loyalties, about being a Muslim. He is implying that people would have legitimate concerns about a Muslim President of the United States.
His followers have tried to get around this by saying, "Barack Obama is not a Muslim -- not that there's anything wrong with that except in the eyes of crazed right-wingers." In line with that, Obama himself might reply, if cornered, that no, he doesn't think those concerns are legitimate, but was only recognizing that a significant percentage of the American electorate thinks them legitimate. But that is precisely the portion of the American electorate for which he and his supporters have the most contempt.

So in other words, he is either pandering to what he and his supporters would almost certainly identify as "racism," or he is tacitly acknowledging that Islam's political and societal program makes it a threat to American Constitutionalism. Is there another choice that I am missing? And to do whichever one of these he is doing, he is lying.

There is no question that  Barack Hussein Obama was born a Muslim,  nor that he is now a Christian.  But under Muslim law,  that makes him an Apostate.

Wikipedia says

Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda) is commonly defined as the rejection of Islam in word or deed by a person who has been a Muslim.
The four major Sunni and the one major Shia Madh'hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.[1]

This puts Barack Hussein Obama in a difficult position.  The one part that I don’t recognize is the statement above acknowledging that Islam's political and societal program makes it a threat to American Constitutionalism.

I have a Scottish background, as well as Irish and Native American. So while these things are part of my makeup, I identify myself as an American. I am also a former atheist, agnostic, and deist, as well as a former Christian fundamentalist/evangelical. But I am now a more mainline Christian, which can be pretty different from a fundamentalist/evangelical where I live. Isn't it more important how a person sees himself, what he identifies himself with, than what other people identify him with? Someone from my past can believe all day long that I am still an atheist, but that doesn't make it true.

I would say be honest, and it seems he says he is not a Muslim now. I don't care what he was, I am more concerned with what he is now. If he doesn't consider himself a Muslim anymore, so be it. I am not sure how that religion works in terms of heritage, but it is clear that he is no longer a Muslim in faith. Or, that he is a Christian as well (if those two can even coexist in the same person, I don't know).

And, seriously, I know I am not the same person now that I was ten years ago.  People change. That's life.  I would say the same about McCain, and did say the same about W's partying past. Perhaps if the past issue were not truly 'past', was known to relapse, and/or could adversely affect the country, I would be concerned. But if it is something about past personal life that doesn't have much to do with anything, I might wag my finger, but that's about it. I felt Clinton was wrong to cheat on his wife, for instance, but was much more upset that he was not upfront about it.  Dude, just admit it!   

I wouldn't care if he were a Muslim, anyway. I am more concerned about how someone would uphold the Constitution and would serve the citizens of this country. And to be honest, I think that some fundie Christians would be more of a threat to my civil liberties and the fabric of this country/world than a Muslim who also identifies as a Christian would. 

[Beautiful_Dreamer]

Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda) is commonly defined as the rejection of Islam in word or deed by a person who has been a Muslim.
The four major Sunni and the one major Shia Madh'hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.[1]

The VP selection becomes very important

Last time I checked, this was not a Muslim country. Nor is it a Muslim-majority country, or where any form of Islamic law is in place.  Maybe some freak job will try to assassinate Obama thinking of these passages, but I really don't think the possibility is as great as you make it out to be.