Another Obama Flip Flop

[Acumen]

This from Obama's website in February 2008 concerning the FISA bill:

"I am proud to stand with Senator Dodd, Senator Feingold and a grassroots movement of Americans who are refusing to let President Bush put protections for special interests ahead of our security and our liberty. There is no reason why telephone companies should be given blanket immunity to cover violations of the rights of the American people - we must reaffirm that no one in this country is above the law."


And here is a statement made by Obama about FISA this month:

"Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program."


This is an interesting flip flop.  Me thinks Obama is trying to appear stronger on national security for the purpose of the presidential election.  It may be a wise choice, but he's selling out his principles which is NOT the change we want in presidential candidates.

[TENAC]

This from Obama's website in February 2008 concerning the FISA bill:

"I am proud to stand with Senator Dodd, Senator Feingold and a grassroots movement of Americans who are refusing to let President Bush put protections for special interests ahead of our security and our liberty. There is no reason why telephone companies should be given blanket immunity to cover violations of the rights of the American people - we must reaffirm that no one in this country is above the law."


And here is a statement made by Obama about FISA this month:

"Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program."


This is an interesting flip flop.  Me thinks Obama is trying to appear stronger on national security for the purpose of the presidential election.  It may be a wise choice, but he's selling out his principles which is NOT the change we want in presidential candidates.

I posted the link below on another thread, but goes here as well.

It appears obama is going to have his feet held to the fire by one of his major constituencies from the far, far left.

Moveon.org is insisting obama filibuster this as he PROMISED to do back during the nominating process.

I am finding it incredible that more of these reversals arent being bandied about in the msm.  Once again, not doing their job.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/MoveOn_demands_a_filibuster.html

[VLinvictus]

It may be a wise choice, but he's selling out his principles which is NOT the change we want in presidential candidates.

You think all this folderol about "change" was sincere and not just empty political rhetoric meant to sweep up emotions and garner support? That's pretty naive.

[VLinvictus]

I am finding it incredible that more of these reversals arent being bandied about in the msm.  Once again, not doing their job.

What, pray tell, do you think the job of the main-stream media is? Do you honestly think that the media exists to carry-out hard-hitting investigative journalism, to hold public figures accountable, and present the people with the information they need to be an informed and active electorate?

Ha! That's also naive.

The "job" of the MSM is to sell things. That's the primary reason it exists. It's purpose to hook and hold the attention of as many people as possible so they can be exposed to as much advertising as possible. The secondary purpose, when not indoctrinating the people with needs and desires for consumer goods, is to indoctrinate them with any one of the competing manufactured ideologies that the ruling class has deemed amenable to its interests in order to keep the population ignorant, divided, and impotent so they can be swindled by the likes of Obama and McCain (and, more importantly, the powers behind them who -- when you examine their stock portfolios -- are pretty much the same).

[TENAC]

I am finding it incredible that more of these reversals arent being bandied about in the msm.  Once again, not doing their job.

What, pray tell, do you think the job of the main-stream media is? Do you honestly think that the media exists to carry-out hard-hitting investigative journalism, to hold public figures accountable, and present the people with the information they need to be an informed and active electorate?

Ha! That's also naive.

The "job" of the MSM is to sell things. That's the primary reason it exists. It's purpose to hook and hold the attention of as many people as possible so they can be exposed to as much advertising as possible. The secondary purpose, when not indoctrinating the people with needs and desires for consumer goods, is to indoctrinate them with any one of the competing manufactured ideologies that the ruling class has deemed amenable to its interests in order to keep the population ignorant, divided, and impotent so they can be swindled by the likes of Obama and McCain (and, more importantly, the powers behind them who -- when you examine their stock portfolios -- are pretty much the same).

Of course not.

But I do feel an obligation to point it out, whether it is obama or McCain.

[Faithfulee]

This isn't exactly a flip flop,  but Obama is very cleaver at words

Today he spoke about the price of oil and the polls showing that most Americans want to 'drill here, drill now and pay less"

He said that "drilling will not solve the real problem which is dependence on oil"

Get the slime??

The real problem is IMPORTED oil.  And absolutely drilling here will resolve a bit of that problem

Think Obama will flip on drilling for oil domestically??

[TENAC]

This isn't exactly a flip flop,  but Obama is very cleaver at words

Today he spoke about the price of oil and the polls showing that most Americans want to 'drill here, drill now and pay less"

He said that "drilling will not solve the real problem which is dependence on oil"

Get the slime??

The real problem is IMPORTED oil.  And absolutely drilling here will resolve a bit of that problem

Think Obama will flip on drilling for oil domestically??

Without question.  He will flip on this, its just a matter of when.....when it begins to hurt him in the polls.  His policies are guided by polling more so than the Clintons.

[Acumen]

If he flips on drilling, I would be very surprised!!!

[Faithfulee]

If he flips on drilling, I would be very surprised!!!

Me too.

The Dems are committed to some weird environmental policies that Obama will need to defend (because he believes in them of course) and if the public has any sense, it will reject Obama and the dems.

[Acumen]

I've had some conversations with some fairly intelligent libs on this subject.  Usually, their arguments are diversions from drilling rather than addressing the point of supply and demand.  For instance, the same lib I was discussing this issue with stated that we export over a million barrels to other nations (either annually or monthly, but I don't recall of hand), so why should we drill when we could use the barrels we're exporting to increase our domestic supply?

I was taken back by the question for a number of reasons.  It mirrored the libs rationale that, instead of drilling, we should force Big Oil to use the millions of acres they are leasing.  Such a point misses the benefit of drilling.  Without knowing too much about exporting oil to other nations, I would presume that such exports pay a good dollar, or else they wouldn't be exporting.  The implication is that we should restrict free trade, either by tariffs or by other measures to improve our supply here in the U.S.  Again, this is the same protectionist philosophy that provides benefits at the expense of capitalism.

No, what we should do is lift the ban on drilling and let the capitalists do what they do best -- that is boost our economy. 

[Faithfulee]

Good point Acumen

The bias against more supply is  an obamanotion (note new word)  that the public in their adoration of Obama seems to have bought.

Your friends proposal would have absolutely no effect on the important factor, the price we are paying at the pump.

I hope Obama doesn’t flip on this, it will cost him many votes.

Maybe he will endorse Pelosi’s point that we have to open up the strategic reserve.