Conservatives need to start a new affiliation or alliance.  There should be basic core principles the guides them and should be organized state to state to endorse conservative candidates regardless of party affiliation.

This alliance needs to speak for Conservative America.  It doesnt find a home in either or any political party, only in the individual candidates.

I am also interested in what those "core principles" would be.

I'm all for breaking the two-party hegemony. It would be nice to have a wider variety to choose from.

Perhaps if both conservatives and liberals could agree on a single code of core principles that expresses their ideologies and goals, we'd all be better off.

As it is, there really isn't anything to distinguish conservatives from liberals or vice versa.

There is already a party and political ideology that supports those ideals: it's called Libertarianism.

TENAC-
First, I agree with all your points, and would support them.

Second:

Government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations.
What is a Constitutional government, ironically, that which the South fought for and Lincoln basely incorporated into his most famous speech, which turned out to be a lie:  government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

BTW, that saying?  From the overleaf of the original Tyndale translation-into-the-vernacular Bible, IIRC; Lincoln did not originate it.

I have lots of support for how the USG was first infiltrated, then became a corporation, then became a bankrupt corporation in receivership, too---as you are probably well-aware, if you have perused the multitudinous quotes I sent you.  The USG stopped being a servant to the People long ago, and instead has become a helpless tool in the hands of international banksters who care nothing for either America OR Liberty.  Here's one quote I'd like to bring to your remembrance now:

"The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots, and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt modern civilization."
~Otto von Bismarck, German Chancellor (1815-1898), after the Lincoln assassination.

And, of course, their depredations and schemes long pre-date Bismarck's reign:

"History records that the moneychangers have used every form of abuse, deceit, intrigue, and violent means necessary to obtain control over governments by controlling the issuance of their money."  James Madison, "Father of the Constitution."

It is my carefully examined position that anyone who trusts the USG is either simply ignorant or actively worse than a fool.

With goodwill to all the People-

Hatman

Hatman,

Have you read the book Jesus for President?

As I've said before, I don't know enough about the economics, the history, etc., to evaluate what you are saying, and my view is that such speculative opinions are just that: speculative opinions.

As far as religion is concerned, I don't think Jesus was dealing with economics/history/politics in that way and to that degree, and at any rate the main message of Jesus was on other issues: challenging your own personal character, opening up to spiritual grace, faith.

I just don't think prophecies and apocalypses were about economic/political history.

I think prophecies and apocalypses (in general) were about encouraging people to have faith and know that there was merit in being just and faithful, despite appearances to the contrary in their immediate history, with hope for the future, with scouring condemnation of the unjust/tyrannical/abusive powers that be in this world.

Macadam?  Gravel?  But yeah, Benjamin was an interesting character, and a great man, albeit not as moral as certain "christian" groups would have preferred, I'm sure.  However, I think that the Divine Light of Inspiration shone in and around him on multiple occasions, probably a cause for their jealousy.  In fact, FatherOblivion(from the "board that shall not be named) has the following as his signature line:  "In wine, there is wisdom; in beer, there is freedom; in water, there is bacteria." ~Benjamin Franklin, he says, but probably falsely attributed; afaik, in the 1770's, no one called 'em bacteria, yet.

True, dat; iirc, the Constitutions of both Georgia and Vermont contain articles referring to "a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles," which is a VERY good thing.  If you'd like, I'll attempt to find those particular quotes.  Said that to say this; when lost, one cannot have a clear idea of where to go until one retraces their steps and gets their bearings---THEN, they may proceed with confidence and clarity.


Probably not, and here's one reason:

"Can the real Constitution be restored? Probably not.  Too many Americans depend on government money under programs the Constitution doesn't authorize, and money talks with an eloquence Shakespeare could only envy.  Ignorant people don't understand The Federalist Papers, but they understand government checks with their names on them."
-- Joseph Sobran(1946- ) Columnist


After several years of investigation and multiple books I've read, my conclusion is that approximately 90-95% of ALL the world's ills can be laid directly at the feet of those slaves to Mammon who pretend they are free because of their wealth(which allows them to enslave others), which will eat them like fire at the last day, according to James ch 5, iirc.  As but two examples, cures for cancer and virtually all other diseases have been suppressed by them, as well as multiple energy-related inventions.  Google 'Royal Rife' and read his story at the Rense.com article, and also google "3000 inventions suppressed", looking for the PESWiki article.  So, yes, what is currently passing for "wealth" in this country is mostly valueless Federal Reserve Notes, empty PROMISES to pay dollars, but in and of themselves, naught but literal "monopoly money."


Uh-oh!  Something ate the rest of that sentence!(although I can speculate that the end went something like "before the Civil War").  I find it particularly interesting that there must have been quite a body of evidence regarding the plots, designs, and manipulations of the "moneyed classes" long before Madison wrote his apropos quote, which, IIRC, predates the Constitution itself!


I don't know what you mean here, although I will assume that this means "I am not as against the Corporatocracy as you are," which is ok.  If you have the time or inclination, go(or buy) and read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman," or go and visit the www.onedollardvdproject.com, and order a few CD copies for yourself and friends you hope to awaken.
 
The wealthy have long written the laws to favor themselves, and change them whenever the hoi polloi discover their loopholes and twists of the law; btw, did you know that the root word of "attorney" is "attorn," which means "to turn(over)" or to twist?  This is why there's a subtle---but important---difference between attorney's and lawyers.  But yes, a reading of "The Law," by Frederic Bastiat(see http://www.barefootsworld.net/the_law.html), would shortly reveal to your awakening mind that laws exist to protect life, liberty, and property, not the reverse.  To perhaps whet your appetite for more, here are a few of his quotations:

"The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is... legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay ... If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system."
-- Frederic Bastiat(1801-1850) French economist, statesman, and author. He did most of his writing during the years just before -- and immediately following -- the French Revolution of February 1848
Source: "The Law" (1848)

"Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws.  On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place."
-- Frederic Bastiat(1801-1850) French economist, statesman, and author.
Source: The Law, by Frederic Bastiat, 1850

"Men naturally rebel against the injustice of which they are victims. Thus, when plunder is organized by law for the profit of those who make the law, all the plundered classes try somehow to enter -- by peaceful or revolutionary means -- into the making of laws. According to their degree of enlightenment, these plundered classes may propose one of two entirely different purposes when they attempt to attain political power: Either they may wish to stop lawful plunder, or they may wish to share in it."
-- Frederic Bastiat(1801-1850) French economist, statesman, and author.
Source: "The Law" (1848)

"When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law."
-- Frederic Bastiat(1801-1850) French economist, statesman, and author.

"Everyone wants to live at the expense of the State; what they forget, though, is that the State lives at the expense of everyone."
-- Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) French economist, statesman, and author.

"There is in all of us a strong disposition to believe that anything lawful is also legitimate.  This belief is so widespread that many persons have erroneously held that things are 'just' because the law makes them so."
-- Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) French economist, statesman, and author.

And to pick up on this last quote, please do your best to remember the following judicial rulings---ALWAYS:

"The jury has the right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy."
-- John Jay(1745-1829) first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, First President of the United States - preceding George Washington, one of three men most responsible for the US Constitution
Source: Georgia v. Brailsford, 1794

"The jury, in all criminal cases, shall be the judges of the law and the facts."
-- Georgia Declaration of Rights, Art.I, Sec.II, Para. I

"NO one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it." 16th American Jurisprudence 2nd edition, Sec 177, late 2nd, Sec 256.

"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." - Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803). See also Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491 and Norton vs. Shelby County, 118 US 425 p. 442

"The pages of history shine on instances of the jury's exercise of its prerogative to disregard the instructions." - U.S. vs. Dougherty, 473 F 2d 1113, 1139 (1972), and see also State of Georgia vs. Brailford, et al 3 Dall, 1, and U.S. vs. Moynihan, 417 2d 1002, 1006 (1969)

Now, a couple more:

"Emergency does not create power.  Emergency does not increase granted power or remove or diminish the restrictions imposed upon power granted or reserved.  The Constitution was adopted in a period of grave emergency.  Its grants of power to the federal government and its limitations of the power of the States were determined in the light of emergency, and they are not altered by emergency."
-- Justice Charles Evans Hughes, (1862-1948) Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme
Court.
Source: Home Building & Loan Assn v. Blairsdell, 1934

"Because we fear the responsibility for our actions, we have allowed ourselves to develop the mentality of slaves.  Contrary to the stirring sentiments of the Declaration of Independence, we now pledge "our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor" not to one another for our mutual protection, but to the state, whose actions continue to exploit, despoil, and destroy us."
-- Butler D. Shaffer, Professor, Southwestern University School of Law, June 9, 2003

"Here is the Golden Rule of sound citizenship, the first and greatest lesson in the study of politics:  You get the same order of criminality from any State to which you give power to exercise it; and whatever power you give the State to do things FOR you carries with it the equivalent power to do things TO you."
-- Albert Jay Nock, (1870-1945)
Source: The Criminality of the State, America Mercury Magazine, March, 1939

"[T]he State's criminality is nothing new and nothing to be wondered at. It began when the first predatory group of men clustered together and formed the State, and it will continue as long as the State exists in the world, because the State is fundamentally an anti-social institution, fundamentally criminal. The idea that the State originated to serve any kind of social purpose is completely unhistorical. It originated in conquest and confiscation -- that is to say, in crime. It originated for the purpose of maintaining the division of society into an owning-and-exploiting class and a property-less dependent class -- that is, for a criminal purpose. No State known to history originated in any other manner, or for any other purpose. Like all predatory or parasitic institutions, its first instinct is that of self-preservation. All its enterprises are directed first towards preserving its own life, and, second, towards increasing its own power and enlarging the scope of its own activity. For the sake of this it will, and regularly does, commit any crime which circumstances make expedient."
-- Albert Jay Nock(1870-1945)
Source: The Criminality of the State, America Mercury Magazine, March, 1939

The foregoing is a quite eloquent and concise reason to NEVER trust "the State," but to watch it like a hawk, and sound a strong alarm at every infringement and encroachment upon the sacred jewel of Liberty.
 

No corporations, no corporate privileges, so probably yes.

Actually, it was QUITE wealthy until 1913, which is the point when---by hook and crook---the PTB got two pieces of legislation crucial to their long-term plans passed into law:  the Federal Reserve Board Act, and the personal income tax---the latter of which started at such a small percentage that few took alarm at this experiment on our Liberty, as they should have done.  The former was another plot, for there has been a battle between central banking and de-centralized banking since this nation's inception.  If you show an interest, I'll will find you some good reading on the battle between Biddle(president of the Second National Bank, a central bank) and Jackson in the 1820's-30's, when president Andrew Jackson won the battle and kicked the central bankers OUT of this country; with the exception of the War For State's Rights years, this country enjoyed such great prosperity that the Treasury regularly reported embarrassingly high SURPLUSES EVERY YEAR,  WITHOUT THERE BEING A PERSONAL INCOME TAX, which is why the central and foreign bankers cast their greedy eyes upon America, contriving a clever plot to steal the wealth of our grandfathers and their posterity(us).

True, however, the principles of fair and equitable trading have long precedent, and are rather well-established, too---and paying interest to international bankers was not one of these fair and equitable and JUST provisions.  Consider the following, if you will:

5. "Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly." (this, btw, is the Fifth Plank of the Communist Manifesto; in point of fact, the Banksters have financed virtually EVERY "ism" on the planet, all with the goal of reducing populations under absolute despotism, as the following quote illustrates:

"The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It financed Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Zionism, Socialism. All of these are directed to making the United States a member of a World Government."
- American Mercury Magazine, December 1957, p. 92

As you will recall from St. John's Revelation, a One World Government---with the worst persecution to ever hit this old planet---comes soon, and the powers of Mammon are firmly behind both. 

"There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men."
-- Edmund Burke(1729-1797) Irish-born British statesman, parliamentary orator, and political thinker

The main trouble seems to be that these people are SO evil as to be unbelievable by most.

Yes, the Kingdom is "spread out over all the earth, but men do not see it" according to the Gospel of Thomas and a manifold number of believers who have found it over the centuries, like Seraphim of Sarov's conversation with Nicolas Motovilov, found here(although many others have written of the same experience): http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/wonderful.aspx

What I believe has happened is that the money power got behind the majority of the supposed lawmakers in this country of BOTH parties, and the latter no longer serve the People as a whole, but those who buttered their bread.  This is one of the greatest dangers to the Constitutional Republic, and as of now, it is virtually destroyed.  There are extremely few members of that body whose loyalty has not been bought by these master manipulators---or blackmailed, or threatened, whatever it takes/took.  As a result, most of us blindly think we are required to vote for one of two monsters, a Scylla or Charybdis.  One promotes corporate profit at the expense of the people, and the other promotes government tyranny at the expense of the people---what do they each have in common?

I appreciate your kudo's for the ongoing process of becoming an "overcomer."  There's still a ways to go, for me.  And yes, I took James 1:25 instruction to "look into the law of perfect liberty" rather seriously, and am still in the process of being set completely free.  The trouble with seeking the truth is that you find it, if you are diligent.  The simple fact is that the noble experiment of our forefathers has been betrayed, and will not be restored until enough people re-awaken to not only what liberty IS, but what methods and tricks have been used to STEAL it from us...even Henry Ford, by most accounts reported to be not the brightest bulb in the box, discovered and related the following:

“The people must be helped to think naturally about money. They must be told what it is, and what makes it money, and what are the possible TRICKS OF THE PRESENT SYSTEM which put nations and peoples UNDER CONTROL OF THE FEW. If the American people knew the CORRUPTION IN OUR MONEY SYSTEM THERE WOULD BE REVOLUTION BEFORE MORNING!”― Henry Ford, Sr. — American Developer of the Automobile (Emerging Struggle pg. 165)(emphasis in the original quote as I found it, but probably not in the original book.)

Part of why I am where I am right now is because of the book of Proverbs; one of them says something like "look around; if you see a wise man, attach yourself to such a one.  Wear out his doorstep," etc., which I took to mean to go and learn from those far wiser than myself.  Hopefully, at least some of what has been thrown at this old wall has stuck, but I cannot and will not claim to have any wisdom of my own; just that with which Our Father has blessed me, as He blesses all who seek diligently, knock persistently, and ask repeatedly, IAW His Son's saying.

But because I am nowhere near as intelligent as you seem to think, I will gladly recommend people who are FAR more qualified than myself to serve in your cabinet!

With goodwill to all the People-

Hatman


And may God's Blessings shower upon you and yours abundantly!

Warmest regards-

Hatman