Islamic Schools in the US

[Faithfulee]

Despite a report by the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom that the Islamic Saudi Academy in Alexandria, Va., has continued to use textbooks that teach hatred of everyone not of their specific brand of faith, the U.S. State Department has yet to act to close down the school

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/jul/18/school-for-scoundrels/#comments

These texbooks are basic Islamic teaching that the schools have been expected to change.  The cannot do this of course without violating their faith,  and naturally have been reluctant to do so.

These schools are supported by Saudi Arabia  where Christian schools are not permitted.

According to Andrew Cochran, writing on the blog counterrorismblog.org, "it appears to be more of a systemic effort by numerous Muslim educators worldwide to brainwash their children

This school should be closed immediately and the curriculumn of every islamic school in the US should be reviewed to see that  the aspects of Islam,  hatred and violence are removed.

Until such time as they are examined,  the American public must be suspicious of every Muslim trained in such schools.  The burden is on the school.

And people of conscience must ask themselves.   If Islamic schools teach hatred and violence,  what is going on in Islamic Mosques?

[metis]

What you are advocating is a violation of the 1st Amendment's Establishment Clause and the Free Speech Clause. 

[SquirleyWurley]

Some people would want Christian certain schools shut down for similar reasons, and would be concerned about some home-school systems, also.

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

I can't advocate the closing of private schools for such reasons, be they Christian, Muslim, or anything else. 

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[Faithfulee]

Wonderful to hear your comments

You are encouraging Muslim Schools to teach young children to Hate.

This is further evidence of the training ground that shows that 25% to 30% of young Muslims are ready to kill for their faith.

Doesn't that concern you??

Do you think that the commission that wants to change the texts to eliminate hatred is doing the right thing?

Or is it that you don't believe that Islamic schools teach hatred of non-muslims?

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

It doesn't concern me because there are already many Christian schools that teach the kids to hate.  In this country, the rights to do so are protected, no matter how much we disagree with them. 


I can't/won't do anything about it, and any time anyone suggests doing something, Christians scream about how persecuted they are.

You're just finally getting to experience something I've had to deal with for better part of the last 2 decades. 

I for one, love it.

No offense.

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[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

And to let you know, I am ready to both kill and die for my faith, your faith, or even their faith, or more importantly, the right to have it.


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[Faithfulee]

It doesn't concern me because there are already many Christian schools that teach the kids to hate.  In this country, the rights to do so are protected, no matter how much we disagree with them. 


I can't/won't do anything about it, and any time anyone suggests doing something, Christians scream about how persecuted they are.

You're just finally getting to experience something I've had to deal with for better part of the last 2 decades. 

I for one, love it.

No offense.

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Share with me one Christian School that teaches children to hate?  Unless you can, your comment is unworthy.  Christianity has no room for hate, and any school that you say teached hatred is not teaching the Christian message.

The difference is that the Muslim school is teaching basic Islam.  this is a big difference.

Are you ready to kill SOMEONE ELSE for your faith?  That is the Islamic code that we see today.  I doubt that you are serious.

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

Share with me one Christian School that teaches children to hate?  Unless you can, your comment is unworthy.  Christianity has no room for hate, and any school that you say teached hatred is not teaching the Christian message.

You're kidding right?  You ought to know me well enough by know to know I'm not going to post something without the ability to back it up, and if you don't think there is hatred taught of other religions in your faith, you have a pretty whitewashed view of it.

Gorge Barna, president of the religious polling company Barna Research said:

        "Diversity may be a rallying cry for the politically correct, but for the average American, the acceptance of diversity in religion, as in politics and race, is not a widely embraced notion."

David Porter, referring to Neopagans:

        "They would claim to be following a Way that predates Christianity and does not need the Christian Revelation...In the biblical view, there is no absolute difference between such beliefs and out-and-out satanism.

Pat Robertson:

        "It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into [our] institutions [today] are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation."

David L Brown,

        "... modern day witches and Satanists still worship demon gods & goddesses, practice bizarre & immoral sexual rituals, and certain groups offer animal and human sacrifices."

   Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue:

        "I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty; we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."

   David L Brown:

        "Though witches like to make a distinction between themselves and Satanists, there really is NO DISTINCTION biblically speaking...but the power behind Satanism and Witchcraft is the same-Satan... and his demonic hordes."

   Frank G. Huling:

        "They are the two groups in the world, children of God-- those who have received Christ (John 1:12), and the children of the devil--those who reject Christ (John 8:44)."

A former SBC president and founding father of the Christian Coalition, The Rev. Bailey Smith, said, at the 1987 Southern Baptist Convention general meeting, "God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew." He was given a standing ovation. In 1994-JUN-24, during a talk before 15,000 people at a Religious Roundtable meeting in Dallas TX, he said: "With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew." 13 The audience reacted with thunderous applause.

Check out this:  http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/sot.htm

The difference is that the Muslim school is teaching basic Islam.  this is a big difference.

Psa 14:1 ... The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

1 Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

  Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

 You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.  (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
 They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

   Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Are you ready to kill SOMEONE ELSE for your faith? 

Yes, absolutely.  I will also do so for your right to follow your beliefs, regardless of how much I disagree with you.

Lunch time.

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[Acumen]

Wonderful to hear your comments

You are encouraging Muslim Schools to teach young children to Hate.

That's a false dichotomy.  Wanting to keep Muslim schools open in not the same thing as encouraging children to hate.

This is further evidence of the training ground that shows that 25% to 30% of young Muslims are ready to kill for their faith.

Doesn't that concern you??

Yes, if that statistic it true, then it bothers me.  However, closing schools isn't the answer because children learn those values primarily in the home.

Do you think that the commission that wants to change the texts to eliminate hatred is doing the right thing?

If the commission is thoughtful about how they alter the texts, then I would say yes.

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

Are you saying you would not kill for your faith, Lee?

[SquirleyWurley]

There are Christian schools which teach kids that homosexuals are monsters/perverts/pedophiles, etc.  Some of the children in such schools later feel that they are homosexual, and this causes much torment because of self-hatred.  Some of the children in such schools feel much hate for homosexuals.  The Bible itself issues exile as a punishment for those who have sex with a woman during her menstrual period, and it also sentences homosexuals to death.

If you wanted to ban the Bible and Bible-based schools which taught such things, at least you would be consistent.

[metis]

First of all, a correction on my previous post.  I said that what Lee was proposing violated the 2nd Amendment Establishment Clause and Free Speech Clause, but I mislabeled the former and it should read as the Free Exercise Clause.  IOW, according to the 1st Amendment, no government body may prevent a religious group from holding services or educating its adherents.  However, a religious group could be prosecuted for illegal activity, even though this is not mentioned in the Constitution.

This school should be closed immediately and the curriculumn of every islamic school in the US should be reviewed to see that  the aspects of Islam,  hatred and violence are removed.

Why single out Islam?  As mentioned, we have seen hate spewed out from a variety of religious groups at different times. 

But what I find most disturbing is this question you posted:

Should Islamic Schools in the US be closed?

Notice what's missing?  There's no differentiation between various Islamic schools.  Instead, the question implicitly deals with ALL Islamic schools.

Again, as mentioned, shutting all of these schools would violate our own Constitution.  On top of that, it is the obligation of a investigating body to provide evidence that this body is violating the law if there were to be criminal prosecutions or a possibility of closing down this body.  So, exactly what law is being violated?  Hate speech, as deplorable as it is, does not warrant criminal prosecution in the U.S.. 

So what you are proposing is a violation of the Constitution.   

[Faithfulee]

Are you ready to kill SOMEONE ELSE for your faith? 

Yes, absolutely.  I will also do so for your right to follow your beliefs, regardless of how much I disagree with you.

Lunch time.

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That is a sad litny of misunderstanding of the Christian message.

I guess it is to be expected from someone who would kill another individual.

I feel sorry for you and hope that one day you will really understand the Christian Message.

God Bless you and keep you my friend.

Lee

[Faithfulee]

Are you saying you would not kill for your faith, Lee?

Absolutely NOT.  I cannot understand you all

I am a Christian and as a Christian I know that Jesus would NEVER want me to kill ianother person in his name.  The reason is that my understanding of the Christian faith is that God has given us other tools than killing another human being, it is called INTELLIGENCE.

[Faithfulee]

Wonderful to hear your comments

You are encouraging Muslim Schools to teach young children to Hate.

That's a false dichotomy.  Wanting to keep Muslim schools open in not the same thing as encouraging children to hate.

This is further evidence of the training ground that shows that 25% to 30% of young Muslims are ready to kill for their faith.

Doesn't that concern you??

Yes, if that statistic it true, then it bothers me.  However, closing schools isn't the answer because children learn those values primarily in the home.

Do you think that the commission that wants to change the texts to eliminate hatred is doing the right thing?

If the commission is thoughtful about how they alter the texts, then I would say yes.

What you don't understand is tha at the core of Islam is the Koran, a book like the Bible that openly demands that followers hate and even kill non-muslims.  Obviousy in the world today Muslims are acting on these "commands" every day.  I am surprised that you have any doubts.  I have posted these passages and discussed this issue here and on other arenas (as recently as today in the Hartford Courant)

This is the real problem.  I agree that children learn at home, but in the Muslim home the Koran is the same and the message of hate and violence against non-Muslims is also the same.

The most recent poll from the UK showed that 30% of young muslims would even KILL for their faith.  All may not be surprised at that, but I hope you would understand.

[Faithfulee]

There are Christian schools which teach kids that homosexuals are monsters/perverts/pedophiles, etc.  Some of the children in such schools later feel that they are homosexual, and this causes much torment because of self-hatred.  Some of the children in such schools feel much hate for homosexuals.  The Bible itself issues exile as a punishment for those who have sex with a woman during her menstrual period, and it also sentences homosexuals to death.

If you wanted to ban the Bible and Bible-based schools which taught such things, at least you would be consistent.

Are you saying that there are Christian schools that teach children to kill homosexuals??  If so they should be closed also. That is the consistanc that you asked for.

Would you want them closed if the school taught children to kill Homosexuals?

[Faithfulee]

First of all, a correction on my previous post.  I said that what Lee was proposing violated the 2nd Amendment Establishment Clause and Free Speech Clause, but I mislabeled the former and it should read as the Free Exercise Clause.  IOW, according to the 1st Amendment, no government body may prevent a religious group from holding services or educating its adherents.  However, a religious group could be prosecuted for illegal activity, even though this is not mentioned in the Constitution.

I accept the correction

This school should be closed immediately and the curriculumn of every islamic school in the US should be reviewed to see that  the aspects of Islam,  hatred and violence are removed.

Why single out Islam?  As mentioned, we have seen hate spewed out from a variety of religious groups at different times. 

That is nonsense.  It is against the andit terrorism law of he US for people to preach the killing of Americans.  That is one law that has helped us remain free of Islamic terror attack since 9/11/01.  It is appropriate for Islam to be singled out, because we are at war agains islamic Terrorism. 

With over 90% of terorism being of Islamic origin, I would think you can understand why Islam is singled out.

But what I find most disturbing is this question you posted:

Should Islamic Schools in the US be closed?

Notice what's missing?  There's no differentiation between various Islamic schools.  Instead, the question implicitly deals with ALL Islamic schools.

Again, as mentioned, shutting all of these schools would violate our own Constitution.  On top of that, it is the obligation of a investigating body to provide evidence that this body is violating the law if there were to be criminal prosecutions or a possibility of closing down this body.  So, exactly what law is being violated?  Hate speech, as deplorable as it is, does not warrant criminal prosecution in the U.S.. 

So what you are proposing is a violation of the Constitution.   

Accept the correction.  I say all Schools that teach young people to kill should be closed.  The facts are however that Islam is unique in the world today to preaching killing and as noted above Muslims are engaged in this every day, all over the world. 

[Faithfulee]

From the Patriot Post
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Teaching hate in America
With “friends” like these, who needs enemies? Saudi Arabia, our alleged ally in the Long War, continues funding educational material that teaches nothing more than hatred and death for all who are not Muslim. The Hudson Institute examined textbooks distributed by the Saudi Ministry of Education in 2007 and 2008 and found that the Saudis still teach their children to “hate the infidels” and that it’s okay for Muslims to kill “apostates,” adulterers, homosexuals, Christians and polytheists. For good measure, they add that Jews are apes and Christians are swine.

Sadly, this horrendous material isn’t confined to Saudi Arabia but is being disseminated worldwide, even to the U.S. The Islamic Saudi Academy in Alexandria, Virginia, continues to use textbooks that teach hatred of non-Muslims and encourage jihad and martyrdom—all this despite the Academy’s promises several years ago to clean up their act. Perhaps more frightening, thanks to a good-will gesture by President Bush after 9/11 to Saudi King Abdullah, more than 20,000 of these “educated” students are on U.S. college campuses right now. While the Saudis may be free to teach their children whatever they want to teach them, they should not be exempt from the repercussions of teaching religious hatred and violence.

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

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That is a sad litny of misunderstanding of the Christian message.

I guess it is to be expected from someone who would kill another individual.

I feel sorry for you and hope that one day you will really understand the Christian Message.

God Bless you and keep you my friend.

Lee

It is a sad litany of misunderstanding of the Christian message, but it is not mine, I simply cut and pasted quotes from high profile evangelicals, and bible passages that they commonly use. 

Absolutely NOT.  I cannot understand you all

I am a Christian and as a Christian I know that Jesus would NEVER want me to kill ianother person in his name.  The reason is that my understanding of the Christian faith is that God has given us other tools than killing another human being, it is called INTELLIGENCE.

You didn't ask me if I would kill because of interpretation of my religious teachings, or because a teacher told me to, you asked me if I would kill for my faith.  I would not kill for those reasons. 

Let me ask you, would you kill to protect your family?  What about yourself?  A friend?  A coworker?  What about an innocent stranger?  Would you die to protect any of them?  I would, yes to all of the above. 

My faith means no less to me, and is not something that is to be tossed aside. I'm sorry if you say differently.

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