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Faithfulee
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« Reply #200 on: July 27, 2008, 08:47:14 PM »

Wurley

You don’t appreciate the biological differences between men and women and the differences that CIVIL law have instituted in dealing with these differences.

Whether it is religious or civil, the differences are real.

Civil unions are a reasonable way of dealing with these differences in a creative and fair matter without  disturbing the  civil legal precedents, or the religious aspects.

I doubt that you can be convinced so I rest my case and won’t comment again.
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« Reply #201 on: July 28, 2008, 03:32:38 PM »

You don’t appreciate the biological differences between men and women and the differences that CIVIL law have instituted in dealing with these differences.

I appreciate the biological differences between men and women, I just don't view marriage the way you do.

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Whether it is religious or civil, the differences are real.

I totally disbelieve in your religion, it is fantasy, I simply hope that people who engage in fantasies (religious or otherwise) are healthy enough about it especially as it concerns the way they relate to others, myself included.

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Civil unions are a reasonable way of dealing with these differences in a creative and fair matter without  disturbing the  civil legal precedents, or the religious aspects.

If one does not wish to disturb certain precedents/status quo, then yes, that is true.  I find the status quo to be biased in the favor of fantasies, and frankly, much of the current discussion is tainted by people's reactions, their IDOLATRY of heterosexuality, which seems to be a response to a perception of being threatened by other people's sexuality.  It's no better than someone IDOLIZING their homosexuality in reaction to perceived threats by heterosexuals/heterosexuality.  It sometimes looks to me like FETISHIZATION of marriage in its secular institutional forms.

I am a realist.  I accept that civil unions are something more people accept.  But that doesn't change my view of the way marriage is treated by many people, today.  It's SUPERSTITIOUS, in fact, to believe that heterosexual marriage, or whatever, is threatened by someone else's gay marriage.
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« Reply #202 on: July 30, 2008, 10:57:14 AM »

Lee,
"Thinking of the children, it is better that they be brought up on a loving heterosexual (normal) household than a homosexual (abnormal) one."

Funny that you characterized the heterosexual union as "loving" but not the homosexual one. The point is homosexual relationships can be and are loving ones and love is the important values in raising children, not how the parent's genitals go together.

My wife was raised by two heterosexual monsters who abused her in every way including sexual abuse and unspeakable torture. I dare you to ask someone like her what is more important, being loved by your parents or having heterosexual parents.

Committed and loving relationships can take more than one form.
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« Reply #203 on: July 30, 2008, 11:03:40 AM »

Lee,
"the differences are real."

We're all different. Some people are selfish, some are loving. maybe that's another way to distinguish us. To me this issue is a matter of whether we want to idealize a certain way for genitals to go together or whether we want to idealize loving committed relationships. To me, love is the important value.

You are simply assuming that somehow homosexual civil marriages will harm our heterosexual marriages. I see no evidence of that and in fact welcome all who care to enter into the state of marital bliss and adventure. Homsexual civil marriages will not harm my marriage. How will it harm yours?
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