Are unbelievers suicidal masochists?

[Daldianus]

This is a question for the believers:

Do you think that unbelievers and/or people who reject Christianity are suicidal masochists longing for eternal torment? Or why do you think they dare not to play along BibleGod's rules?

Or is it because they simply don't take the threats seriously since they consider them made-up by people?

[sobeit9]

This is a question for the believers:

Do you think that unbelievers and/or people who reject Christianity are suicidal masochists longing for eternal torment? Or why do you think they dare not to play along BibleGod's rules?

Or is it because they simply don't take the threats seriously since they consider them made-up by people?

Much more simple Dal.  Unbelievers are just people within which their spiritual part is yet to awaken.

[Corrigan37]

This is a question for the believers:

Do you think that unbelievers and/or people who reject Christianity are suicidal masochists longing for eternal torment? Or why do you think they dare not to play along BibleGod's rules?

Or is it because they simply don't take the threats seriously since they consider them made-up by people?

They just don't take it seriously dal ..
Noone knows what a tragedy is until it comes.. then when it hits.. You wish you could go back and change things..

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

This is a question for the believers:

Do you think that unbelievers and/or people who reject Christianity are suicidal masochists longing for eternal torment? Or why do you think they dare not to play along BibleGod's rules?

Or is it because they simply don't take the threats seriously since they consider them made-up by people?

Come on Dal.  You know better than to word it in that manner, unless you did it on purpose.  Most people who "reject" Christianity are not what would be considered "unbelievers", they just believe in something else.

all

[Daldianus]

They just don't take it seriously dal ..
Noone knows what a tragedy is until it comes.. then when it hits.. You wish you could go back and change things..

So non-Christians are fools who are blinded by (whatever) and will be punished for this in the afterlife?

[Daldianus]

Come on Dal.  You know better than to word it in that manner, unless you did it on purpose.  Most people who "reject" Christianity are not what would be considered "unbelievers", they just believe in something else.
all

I used the word 'unbelievers' in relation to the Christian belief system. Every other belief besides the Christian one is false in their eyes anyway, so why would it matter that you don't simply reject their faith but also have a faith of your own? Would there be a difference, regarding to BibleGod's reaction and punishments, if you were an atheist rather than a Hindu?

The main point of this thread is though: In order to FEAR something you have to believe it is REAL. Otherwise the 'game' doesn't work. In order to be able to consciously reject BibleGod you have to believe in him first. And if you believe in him then you also have to believe in his rules and punishments. This would therefore make a person who acknowledges BUT rejects BibleGod a suicidal maniac wishing for eternal torment. Since that's what he would get after his death.

Is it more clear now?

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

Dald,

It's "all"

I knew what you meant, I was just going for clarification to head off any misunderstandings that might arise.

 

[Daldianus]

Dald,

It's "all"

I knew what you meant, I was just going for clarification to head off any misunderstandings that might arise.

 

no problem! and I had recognized you, don't worry

I'm curious though if there will be some replies in this thread.

[Daldianus]

Really no one?

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

Different kind of crowd here Dal.

[Daldianus]

Different kind of crowd here Dal.

Seems so. Don't they like hard questions like this?

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

I think they just don't care to waste time with loaded questions. 

all

[Daldianus]

I think they just don't care to waste time with loaded questions. 

all

So they prefer to ignore the difficult questions that emerge when the origins, and also consequences, of their lofty concepts and beliefs are analyzed?

They're free to do that of course. But that doesn't seem really honest to me.

My question here is a valid and serious question. It's about a logical conclusion if one takes the Christian premise seriously.

[sobeit9]

Come on Dal.  You know better than to word it in that manner, unless you did it on purpose.  Most people who "reject" Christianity are not what would be considered "unbelievers", they just believe in something else.
all

I used the word 'unbelievers' in relation to the Christian belief system. Every other belief besides the Christian one is false in their eyes anyway, so why would it matter that you don't simply reject their faith but also have a faith of your own? Would there be a difference, regarding to BibleGod's reaction and punishments, if you were an atheist rather than a Hindu?

The main point of this thread is though: In order to FEAR something you have to believe it is REAL. Otherwise the 'game' doesn't work. In order to be able to consciously reject BibleGod you have to believe in him first. And if you believe in him then you also have to believe in his rules and punishments. This would therefore make a person who acknowledges BUT rejects BibleGod a suicidal maniac wishing for eternal torment. Since that's what he would get after his death.

Is it more clear now?

Hi there Dal

The trouble is that you don't understand Christianity but have confused yourself with various assertions of Christendom. 

Christianity doesn't replace any religion but only introduces a quality of consciousness that helps actualize the intent of the ancient traditions initiating with a conscious source.

Belief or rejection is not the point.  It is meaningless because people do not understand what they are believing or rejecting.  "RESPONSIBILITY" can only begin when there is a certain quality of understanding which is rather rare especially in this day and age.

Matthew 12

30"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Fortunately for most, people don't know what this means so objectively people are either believing or rejecting their own fantasies.  However, in order to sin against the Spirit, one must understand it in the full meaning of what it means to "understand."  This quality of understanding also brings a "responsibility" the normal person living in their fantasies within Plato's cave cannot have.

[Acumen]

I think they just don't care to waste time with loaded questions. 

all

So they prefer to ignore the difficult questions that emerge when the origins, and also consequences, of their lofty concepts and beliefs are analyzed?

They're free to do that of course. But that doesn't seem really honest to me.

My question here is a valid and serious question. It's about a logical conclusion if one takes the Christian premise seriously.

Dald,

I thought I alluded to this before, and All has basically echoed what I told you on another thread.  This is a different sort of crowd.  And it may take some time to adapt.  Many posters here enjoy meaningful dialogue and thoughtful responses.  If they perceive that you or any other posters are only interested in drive-by posting (essentially posting single line quips), they won't want to invest too much time responding.

[Daldianus]

Then so be it. But it's also telling. Since my question is a valid one.

The only one who tried to answer it is sobeit. And I appreciate that even though I'm not sure I really get his point.

But answering itself is not that hard, is it?

[Acumen]

This is a question for the believers:

Do you think that unbelievers and/or people who reject Christianity are suicidal masochists longing for eternal torment?

No.

Or why do you think they dare not to play along BibleGod's rules?

I don't think there is a single answer for this question. 

Or is it because they simply don't take the threats seriously since they consider them made-up by people?

I think that most Christians are in a relationship with God because they love Him and they love to serve Him.  Threats typically don't enter the equation.

[Daldianus]

This is a question for the believers:

Do you think that unbelievers and/or people who reject Christianity are suicidal masochists longing for eternal torment?

No.

But don't they know that eternal torment is going to be their punishment? Haven't they read the Bible? Did they miss the part with the gnashing of teeth and stuff? Who would consciously choose something like that, except for a masochist?

Or don't unbelievers really get tormented after their death? What happens to them then?

Or why do you think they dare not to play along BibleGod's rules?

I don't think there is a single answer for this question. 

But you agree that they obviously don't take BibleGod's/Jesus' threats seriously, right?

Or is it because they simply don't take the threats seriously since they consider them made-up by people?

I think that most Christians are in a relationship with God because they love Him and they love to serve Him.  Threats typically don't enter the equation.

Well, once you believe, you're on the good side. So the threats aren't relevant for you anyway.

Do you agree though that unbelievers will get punished after their death?

[Acumen]

But don't they know that eternal torment is going to be their punishment? Haven't they read the Bible? Did they miss the part with the gnashing of teeth and stuff? Who would consciously choose something like that, except for a masochist?

Probably not.

Or don't unbelievers really get tormented after their death? What happens to them then?

There are different interpretations.

But you agree that they obviously don't take BibleGod's/Jesus' threats seriously, right?

No, they probably don't.

Well, once you believe, you're on the good side. So the threats aren't relevant for you anyway.

No, there is more to believing.

Do you agree though that unbelievers will get punished after their death?

Again, there are different interpretations.

[Thorolf]

This is a question for the law-abiders:

Do you think that criminals and/or people who reject the law are suicidal masochists longing for years of imprisonment and torment? Or why do you think they dare not to play along LawJudge's rules?

Or is it because they simply don't take the threats seriously since they consider them only for "other" people?