Jewish Politics

[Acumen]

Apparently the ignore button is working.  Let us know if there are any problems with it.

[WorldWarrior]

Acumen says--

"Well, you're right in the sense that one cannot conduct a show like that without spin.  However, I think any fair observer would see that he at least tries to be fair"

Okay--there must be another guy with the same name of Bill O'Reilly who DOESN'T shout down anyone who disagrees with him?


btw--asking "who Jews are going to vote for" is a lot loike asking "who Catholics are going to vote for.'

Pretty funny as a way to view the rest of the world.

[Beruriah]

I am voting for Hillary, so is my husband, and every member of my family. No one in my family has ever dared to vote for a Republican candidate. Ever. It's tradition. It's a tradition we just don't break. My mother wanted to vote for McCain, but we had an intervention(after all, what would my grandma of blessed memory, her mother, say if she were here?). We believe it was successful, but we instructed her to call us anytime, day or night, if she began having thoughts of McCain again.

But to be serious, Israel is not the defining issue for me- unless, of course, a candidate were to espouse an anti-Israel platform. None of the three candidates are anti-Israel. John McCain could go to sleep at night after lovingly stroking a map of Israel while wrapped in an Israeli flag eating hamantashen, but if he doesn't pass muster for me on domestic issues, then his love of Israel becomes irrelevant. The fact is that all three candidates want to continue the American-Israeli relationship; none of them have espoused anything particulary negative in that vein, and Hillary Clinton has a stance on the issues I generally agree with the most out of the three of them.

[Akiva]

Beruriah,

I agree, and I admire your stance.  Many Jews I have talked to who would never dream of voting Republican any other time are considering doing so because they feel that Senator Obama has harbored anti-Israel sentiment in the past.  Yet, on domestic issues they side with Obama or Clinton.  Anyway, I doubt we will have a candidate that is blatantly anti-Israel anytime soon, and so while in Babylon we might as well cast our votes for issues concerning Babylon.

[Acumen]

John McCain could go to sleep at night after lovingly stroking a map of Israel while wrapped in an Israeli flag eating hamantashen,

LOL -- I don't think you could possibly know what I was envisioning. 

[WorldWarrior]

"..while wrapped in an Israeli flag eating hamantashen"



Darn it!

Now I have a craving for lekvar!

[river]

My main concern is the judges that will be appointed by the next president.  The idea of outbalancing the right wing judges is a frightening thought to me.   I see more and more freedoms going down the drain if it happens that way. 

[Akiva]

I don't know if I read that the way you meant it to be read.  Do you mean that more rightwing judges is a frightening thought, or the opposite?

[river]

No, I wrote it wrong.  The telephone was ringing.   The idea of out-balancing the court with right wing judges frightens me.  More and more of our freedoms will go down the drain. 

[river]

Acumen,

What and where is an ignore button?   What's the purpose? 

[Acumen]

The ignore feature is located on the lower left-hand side of the posts of the poster you wish to ignore.  All you have to do is click it -- and presto.  It makes the poster's posts disappear.

[river]

Oh, goodie!

[river]

I wanted to vote for Hillary, but now that she's out of the race, I can't.  But I'm not unhappy.  I heard Obama's speech yesterday at AIPAC.  I don't listen to speeches very often because I always think they're boring.   But I tuned in yesterday to MSNBC, and Barak was coming on, and I was really impressed with his speech.  He was great.   I feel better much better about the election now, and will be voting for him. 

When McCain said (same day, I think) that he would run the country "the Lord's way"  I dropped any idea of voting for him.  Whose Lord?  His?   We sure don't have the same one.  I prefer to keep the church and the state very separate.   Apparently neither he nor any Supreme Ct. justices he'd put in would agree with my beliefs.   Don't teach bible in school.  Keep prayers and bible readings out of public schools and that includes after school.  You want to go talk or learn about religion?  There are churches and synagogues, temples etc. for that kind of stuff.  I don't want my taxes to go into any kind of religious studies in schools.  In fact, imo, all religious institutions should pay taxes like everybody else.  Why are they exempt, and everything else is taxed?  My property taxes are so high it's ridiculous.  All religious institutions should pay taxes too.   Those evangelical preachers on TV everyday are millionaires.   It's a good business.  You don't have to pay taxes.

[Acumen]

Hey river,

You need to hang out here more.  Forget that other site!

[river]

I know.

[Clyde5001]

As I said at the "other site", this Democrat will be voting for McCain - or at least sitting out the election.

[Acumen]

Hey River,

I wanted to vote for Hillary, but now that she's out of the race, I can't.  But I'm not unhappy.  I heard Obama's speech yesterday at AIPAC.  I don't listen to speeches very often because I always think they're boring.   But I tuned in yesterday to MSNBC, and Barak was coming on, and I was really impressed with his speech.  He was great.   I feel better much better about the election now, and will be voting for him.

Making great speeches is a far cry from actual knowledge of foreign policy, which currently is among our biggest political issues.  Right now, I'm rather frightened what someone like Obama plans to do *IF* he were to get elected.  He's waffled on his precondition-less talks with Iran, which to me marks his inexperience with terrorism or the middle-east mindset.  I don't recall the last time we could negotiate with a nation that possessed an ideology of hate and total destruction of the western world.  Just recently, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made the statement that Israel won't be around very long and the days of American invincibility has come to an end.  Hmmm . . . let's sit down and talk with civility shall we?  Who was it that said that diplomacy without force is like music without instruments?

When McCain said (same day, I think) that he would run the country "the Lord's way"  I dropped any idea of voting for him.  Whose Lord?  His?   We sure don't have the same one.  I prefer to keep the church and the state very separate.   Apparently neither he nor any Supreme Ct. justices he'd put in would agree with my beliefs.   Don't teach bible in school.  Keep prayers and bible readings out of public schools and that includes after school.  You want to go talk or learn about religion?  There are churches and synagogues, temples etc. for that kind of stuff.  I don't want my taxes to go into any kind of religious studies in schools.  In fact, imo, all religious institutions should pay taxes like everybody else.  Why are they exempt, and everything else is taxed?  My property taxes are so high it's ridiculous.  All religious institutions should pay taxes too.   Those evangelical preachers on TV everyday are millionaires.   It's a good business.  You don't have to pay taxes.

I see your point, but please don't let one sentence determine the whole of his leadership.  You want to talk about religious beliefs?  Obama has been steeped in controversy from the moment he stepped up for the presidential campaign with his notable anti-Zionist church.  What on earth is a senator, who is supposed to represent the citizens of Illinois, doing in a church that propagates antisemitism and anti-government conspiracy theories, not to mention the unfortunate fact that he has personally requested both Rev Wright and Father Pfleger as his spiritual advisers?  I think these issues are quite a bit more hazardous in terms of judgment than a one-liner from McCain. 

[bunsinspace]

Hey river,

You need to hang out here more.  Forget that other site!

BS"D

Heh, heh.  I admire your self-promotion.  But you've got to remember we Jews did not survive all these millenia by putting all our eggs into the same basket - even our own.   

[metis]

As I said at the "other site", this Democrat will be voting for McCain - or at least sitting out the election.

So you really want to see this "train wreck" continue for four more years? 

[Acumen]

Hey river,

You need to hang out here more.  Forget that other site!

BS"D

Heh, heh.  I admire your self-promotion.  But you've got to remember we Jews did not survive all these millenia by putting all our eggs into the same basket - even our own.   

I do understand the appeal of the other forum.  It's a great place to socialize with people, but I tend to be a little more biased concerning the quality of discussions on this site.