Victory i Iraq

[Faithfulee]

On Beliefnet I started and administered a topic that went for over 2000 posts.

Victory in Iraq

The first question I answered was “How do you define Victory??”

Victory in Iraq is a Democratic Iraq with a functioning government that can be responsible for it’s own security.

We are approaching that point and we should both celebrate and support Americas Efforts in Iraq.

Today’s new is heartening

1.   The current battle for Basra is entirely a Iraq Government operation.  The didn’t even till the US about it until it started.  That is but for air strikes that have now ceased.
2.   Al Sadr, the principle opponent to the Baghdad government has called his militias to stand down.
3.   The oil line that the rebels attempted to destroy has been saved.  Oil is flowing,  Prices are down, and hopefully the revenues will enrich the Baghdad government and make it possible for them to pay for more of their security.

Victory is not around the corner, but it is far more hopeful than a year ago before the surge.

The fact is that none of the candidates for president have promised to have their troops out by the end of their first term.

Let us support the President that has the greatest commitment to

Victory in Iraq

And that is John McCain.

[Faithfulee]

There were muted sounds of approval today except for the NY Times, who believe tha alSadre won and the Americans be damned.  So what is new??

let us continue to support the Maliki government and our troops so that a true peace may evolve in Iarq.  One that will not only let our troops come home, but will serve as an tribute to American Deplomacy and an example for the rest of the Muslim world.

[Faithfulee]

This morning alSadre told the world why we MUST be victorious in Iraq

He said that it is important to have Islam control the government AND the culture.

If we fail in Iraq,  the country will fall into domination by the Jihadist Muslims who will control the country and use it as another platform for more Islamic Terror in the world.

Christians abhor war,  but in this case we are winning, and the stakes in the end are the preservation of Western civilization.

God Bless America.

And as my wife and I pray daily.  Lord open the eyes and minds of Muslims to Jesus message of love and peace.

[Acumen]

Let us support the President that has the greatest commitment to

Victory in Iraq

Well, to be fair, the democrats have their eyes set on victory too.  It just has nothing to do with beating terrorism.

[Faithfulee]

The Democrats are not seeking power, much like the radical Islamists.

Right now they are hedging.  Nether Hillary or Obama have pledged to have all out troops home by the end of their first term.  Democrats will be disappointed again when their leader  fails to call on “surrender” in Iraq.

Victory in Iraq will do more than give President Bush a positive legacy.  It will serve as a way to combat Islamic Terrorism and set back the Jihad against Western Civilization.

The Dem plan to abandon Iraq suffered another loss today when the UK decided that they will  continue their deployment rather than withdrawing.

Incidentally,  How many agree that Victory in Iraq is possible??  As defined as a functioning democratic government and able to take care of its own security.

A year ago when I started the thread on that other blog,  it was ridiculed.  Today is is well within the realm of possibility  IF  we support the President and our brave military.

[Faithfulee]

This will be the defining issue in the November Election.

It will be framed in as

DEMOCRATS ADVOCATE SURRENDER IN IRAQ

Which is what Obama and Hillary are about and it is something that the American people will not support.  Not because of the onus of surrender, but because of the seriousness of the threat.

Already McCain is defining the struggle against the Jihad against Western Civilization as the defining issue of the Century. 

[Acumen]

You are exactly right here.  I'm dismayed over the popular opinion of pulling our troops out of Iraq primarily because it gives no thought to the consequences of such a decision.  Do a thought experiment of all the things that could go wrong from such a move.  It's really quite disturbing.

[Faithfulee]

You are exactly right here.  I'm dismayed over the popular opinion of pulling our troops out of Iraq primarily because it gives no thought to the consequences of such a decision.  Do a thought experiment of all the things that could go wrong from such a move.  It's really quite disturbing.

Dont be conned by "public opinion".  Americans will not tolerate surrender in Iraq and the consequences of such a move.

The Dems have proposed "surrender" not to save American lives but to give them more money to spend.  The Dims think they can fool the Ameirican Public, but the Repubs will not let them get away with the nonsense.

The fact is that we are winning in Iraq (as evidenced by no attacks on US soil) and that a victory of Iraq (a stable democratic government) will change the dynamics of the world,  and enure to the benefit of  President Bush of course.

[Faithfulee]

The news today is hopeful.
Victory is defined as leaving Iraq with a democratic government that can protect itself.

The news today is that Sunni's are meeting with the Government to explore bringing Sunnis back into the coalition government.  The action that facilitated this move was the government's attack on the Shiia Militia in Sadre City. Note that he Iraq government led this attack.

Let us pray the Sunnis will join the democratic governmen so that Iraq can find peace and stability, and US forces can return home to the Victory Parades.

God Bless America

[Faithfulee]

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=1258

Pew Research reports Public perceptions of the situation in Iraq have become significantly more positive over the past several months, even as opinions about the initial decision to use military force remain mostly negative and unchanged.”

As we head into the election, the Iraq issue is whether to surrender in a war that we winning,  ot

Continue in Iraq and be Victorious, while at the same time helping with the humanitarian issues resulting from the war.  Refugees need to return to their homes in Iraq and participate in the Peace process and rebuilding.

And what that means for the war against Islamic terrorism is significant.  Iraq will stand as a model of what can result when Islamic radicals are defeated and democracy prevails in a Muslim Country.

[Faithfulee]

With the progress we are making in Iraq, the Dem candidates are hedging and stretching out the timetable for withdrawal. 

Maybe one day they will also admit that we could be there for 100 years.

[Faithfulee]

I have spoken often of Canon Andrew White and his efforts to get the Sunnis and Shiia in Iraq to sign a Fatwa condemning Muslim terrorists killing Muslims.

The link is to an article about White.

Interestingly it contains his comment about the need to  remove sad man.

"The Saddam regime was really, really evil. And there was no other way of getting rid of it. If you had applied sanctions longer, harder, it would have affected the people even more. But it would not have affected the regime. Talking to the Iraqi people, meeting them, living with them, I would say that 70 per cent of them still think they had to be liberated, even though the current situation is so awful."

http://www.ecusa-chaplain.org/Canon_Andrew_White_Mission.ht

As to current conditions

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3585903.ece

Despite the many mistakes that have been made I still do not regret that the war happened. I regret deeply what happened after the war. I take hope from the work of the Multi National Forces in Iraq, not least the US and UK troops; they are doing an outstanding job. I also take hope from the way that the Iraqi Army is developing, and from the work of Dr. Mowaffak Al Rubbaie, Iraq's National Security Advisor, and General Dave Petraeus the Chief US Military Officer.

 It can not be denied that the last five years here have been terrible. That all around we see such devastation. All I can say is that we cannot and must not give up our efforts to rebuild this once great nation. It is so hard, there are many days when we just wonder how more difficult it can get, but we have a big God on our side and we know that with His help we will succeed. 

Victory in Iraq will be when Canon White can go about his business without the flack jacket and military escort  Let us all pray for that day.

[Faithfulee]

Has anyone noticed that we are getting closer to Victory in Iraq?

Thank God the Lib diatribe over “invaters” and Occupier”  is over.  That was really helpful for the terrorists in that it  helped the Islamic terrorists   keep their control of the minds of the Iraqis.

Today the people of Iraq know that the issue is not the US occupiers,  but the Muslim government and the Islamic terrorists who want control.

The victory in Basra is helping.  And today the report on Sadre City is even more positive.  The people are blaming the government and the insurgents.  And most important their has been agreement on a cease fire.

Hopefully Canon White and other workers for peace are doing good things.

Thanks be to God.

[WorldWarrior]

"And today the report on Sadre City is even more positive."


You mean that area of Baghdad where all the mortar atacks on the "impregnable" Green Zone" come from?

That area of Two Million people where US Troops are building a wall--to keep part of the population segregated from the rest of the city?

That "area of success"?

[metis]

There will not be a military victory in Iraq.  What can be hoped for is some sort of negotiated agreement when the various sides get to the point whereas they possibly realize that getting a bit of something may be preferable than getting a lot of nothing.  And we will just have to get used to the fact that we'll be a minor factor in this settlement, whatever it may be.  Frankly, is unlikely imo that Barach, John, or Hillary will make much difference in the long run when it comes to whatever may result there.  We simply cannot dictate the outcome.   

[WorldWarrior]

Vern--hi.


But we can surely get our Troops out of there.

Which both Obama and clinton have promised to do--sooner rather than later the way McCain wants to.

[Faithfulee]

"And today the report on Sadre City is even more positive."


You mean that area of Baghdad where all the mortar atacks on the "impregnable" Green Zone" come from?

That area of Two Million people where US Troops are building a wall--to keep part of the population segregated from the rest of the city?

That "area of success"?

You bet.  The Islamic terrorists have agreed to a cease fire and the fighting actually has lessened.  We need to measure the progress against the determination of radical Islam to wage it's Jihad against Western Civilization.

And let us pray for the efforts of Canon White to get a Fatwa condemning the killing of Muslims by Muslims.
Talk about a narrow measure of success and appreciate the uncivilized conduct of Islamic radicals.  Can you Imagane any difficulty in getting Christian Churchs to agree to condemn the killing of Christians by Christians??

The US and western cvilization is not the problem.

There will not be a military victory in Iraq.  What can be hoped for is some sort of negotiated agreement when the various sides get to the point whereas they possibly realize that getting a bit of something may be preferable than getting a lot of nothing.  And we will just have to get used to the fact that we'll be a minor factor in this settlement, whatever it may be.  Frankly, is unlikely imo that Barach, John, or Hillary will make much difference in the long run when it comes to whatever may result there.  We simply cannot dictate the outcome.  

Victory in Iraq is the establishment of a democratic government that can take care of its own security.
There will not be a US Military victory, but rather there will be a need for an American presence to support the democratic government.  Hopefully this will be non military and/or with a very limited military presence.
to pull out prematurely as Obomber proposes will in effect be a surrender and will make all our efforts to date ue useless as the enemy claims "Victory"  and continues to destabilize the country and kill more Iraq Muslims[/quote]

Vern--hi.

But we can surely get our Troops out of there.

Which both Obama and clinton have promised to do--sooner rather than later the way McCain wants to.

I am sure you are aware that both Hillary and Obama have refused to commit to a date and they now say that they will not be out beforethe end of their first term.  That is the same thing that McCain has pledged.
only McCain will bring our troops home Victoriously.

[WorldWarrior]

You do realize that mortars are still being lobbed into the Green Zone from Sadr City and killling US Troops?


And that the US is building a wall in Sadr City to divide it in half and cut people off from each other?

[metis]

Vern--hi.  But we can surely get our Troops out of there.  Which both Obama and clinton have promised to do--sooner rather than later the way McCain wants to.

Hello WW.

I'm not sure there would be much of a difference in the long run regardless of the campaign rhetoric.  It would take a minimum of roughly 9 months to get out, and a rush to get out would leave a power vacuum that could easily broaden the conflict or allow certain elements to possibly take over.

Instead, no matter who gets in as President, they'll probably encourage various elements to come to grips with the fact that this could bust wide open, and it's the various groups and countries in that region that have the most to lose.  It is in their best interest to work on a solution, and if they're not willing to do so, there's frankly little that we can do to stop it in the long run.  

[metis]

Just a point that if democracy does succeed to get established in Iraq, don't expect it to be pro-western or pro-American.  The Shi'i form the majority, and they are a group that is not likely to become buddy-buddy with us if previous history tells us anything.