Obama Capitulates . . . . or does he really

[Faithfulee]

On two important Issues Obama captulated yesterday

1.  He now favors off shore drilling

2.  He opposes the proposal for America to Apologize to Black Americans and offer repriations.


Does anyone see through these statements as I do and know them to be empty political gestures in order to get elected??

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

Does anyone really think that anything either of the candidates say right now is anything more than empty political gestures to get elected?

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[Acumen]

On Obama's side, not really.  His voting record is drastically different than his campaign speeches.

For McCain, he has stayed a little more true to his voting record in past months.

[Faithfulee]

Does anyone really think that anything either of the candidates say right now is anything more than empty political gestures to get elected?

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Absolutely

McCain and the Republicans are as I write trying to get congress back in session to discuss the energy issue.

This is NOT an empty politcal gesture by the Republicans.

Do you think that Obama seriously wants to open the Florida coast for off shore drilling??

Acumen

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On Obama's side, not really.  His voting record is drastically different than his campaign speeches.

For McCain, he has stayed a little more true to his voting record in past months.

This tact by Obama is illustrative of his dedicated quest to become America's first Black President.  On oil drilling, anyone can see throught the statement today to realize its emptyness.  (although it is a cleaver political ploy). 

On the black apology,  Obama knows that he has the black vote locked up and he can dump on them forever and they will still vote for him.  He made this statement to distract the "whities" who fear the consequences of the "apology" and the need for "reparations" that are sure to come.  The Democrat party spent time in the past few weeks bringing up this "critical" issue.  It makes me wonder what they will now say when their presumptive leader disses them . . .

We will hear more, 

But do you think that Obama is serious in endorsing drilling and dropping "apology" ??

[Faithfulee]

The "apology" is a national apology to American Blacks that a congressional committee recently endorsed.

I can imagine that blacks are outraged at Obama's position today.  I expect that it will also change incoming weeks.   

[Acumen]

2.  He opposes the proposal for America to Apologize to Black Americans and offer repriations.

This position is not a new one.  Obama opposed reparations before his presidential bid for the White House.

[Faithfulee]

2.  He opposes the proposal for America to Apologize to Black Americans and offer repriations.

This position is not a new one.  Obama opposed reparations before his presidential bid for the White House.

Of course you are correct but he hasn't objected tot he congressional discussions that recently regurgitated the issue.  The news shows this AM suggested that Congress would do what it wanted to and that Obama couldn't change that.  Some leadership

[SquirleyWurley]

In either case, I do not think the Democratic party as a whole is in lock step with Obama, and they won't just go with everything he says whole hog.  It remains to be seen what press coverage the dissenters will get and how they will be treated by the Admin and the party, should he win, i.e., it would be interesting to compare the way Obama treats Democratic and Republican opponents as compared to how Bush treated them, how the Democratic Party as a whole treats those who aren't in lock step as compared to how the Republican party treated diverging voices in the last 8 years, how the media handles the dissent as compared to the recent 8 years.

I'd hope either McCain or Obama would do better than what has been the norm in the last 8 years, as no one seems to really hate either man, and it seems that both have a reasonable demeanor and convey a willingness to talk to those who disagree -- and THAT is an important improvement for this country, right there.

[Faithfulee]

Wurley

One of the issues in Energy Obama is acting like he is seeking an academy award rather than the POTUS.  He certainly is not compromising.

While he talks of   considering drilling his spokespersons open every statement with “We cannot drill our way out of this situation”   That of course is playing to the fools who don’t want to know the complete  McCain/Republican plan that has many other features.

But the mantra is repeated every minute or so.

The reality is that Obama has no control of the Dem party, a party that is firmly against off shore drilling.  Obama may be a compromiser but he has not authority over or leadership skills needed to bring his party along.

The Dem party has no plans to talk to anyone who disagrees with them on Energy.  I hope that President Bush uses his authority and calls Conress back in session to address this vital issue.  Do you think that is a good idea??

I am delighted to see the confusion and the  disarray in the Dems and hopefully it will bring Obama down and the Democrat party with him. 

[SquirleyWurley]

I heard some Democrat supporter or another mentioning that McCain's plan included some tax breaks for oil companies.  If accurate, that sounds like a weird/non-intuitive way to deal with companies who have high profits and have increased the price of their product.

[Faithfulee]

I heard some Democrat supporter or another mentioning that McCain's plan included some tax breaks for oil companies.  If accurate, that sounds like a weird/non-intuitive way to deal with companies who have high profits and have increased the price of their product.

That is weird speculation not worthy of comment.

Obama's plan to be off oil in a generation is idiotic.

The Dems are losing the energy issue big time and we can expect more capitulations as the Republicans fight to get a sane energy policy for the American Public.

Today he came out in favor of releasing from the Petroleum Reserve.  A great idea but only if we develop national supply to replace the oil as soon as this crisis is over.  That proposal makes the Dem Energy policy a sham.  Supply is the problem, something they won't admit.

[Acumen]

I heard some Democrat supporter or another mentioning that McCain's plan included some tax breaks for oil companies.  If accurate, that sounds like a weird/non-intuitive way to deal with companies who have high profits and have increased the price of their product.

All major companies receive tax breaks in the form of subsidies, and Big Oil is no exception.  However, Big Oil has been demonized by Democrats and that's why it's a big issue right now.  What we don't hear is that major software and pharmaceutical companies are breaking records in profits, and they too are receiving tax breaks without so much as a second glance from Congressional Democrats.  I wonder why?

[Acumen]

I heard some Democrat supporter or another mentioning that McCain's plan included some tax breaks for oil companies.  If accurate, that sounds like a weird/non-intuitive way to deal with companies who have high profits and have increased the price of their product.

That is weird speculation not worthy of comment.

Obama's plan to be off oil in a generation is idiotic.

The Dems are losing the energy issue big time and we can expect more capitulations as the Republicans fight to get a sane energy policy for the American Public.

Today he came out in favor of releasing from the Petroleum Reserve.  A great idea but only if we develop national supply to replace the oil as soon as this crisis is over.  That proposal makes the Dem Energy policy a sham.  Supply is the problem, something they won't admit.

The problem with that is many independents believe that releasing barrels from the emergency reserve is a stupid idea.  Obama will put himself in a more awkward situation with the very voters he's attempting to court.

[Faithfulee]

The problem with that is many independents believe that releasing barrels from the emergency reserve is a stupid idea.  Obama will put himself in a more awkward situation with the very voters he's attempting to court.

There are many problems with this, I agree.  But it is a good political ploy on the part of Obama and it does no damage to our security if we commit ourselves to new drilling to replace the oil taken out.

Without replacing the oil, we would become more subject to blackmail by oil producing countries, and hence our national security would be weakened.
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